Bad Support

[unfair]

I would like to start off by saying I'm new to this game, I come from a game called "Puzzle Pirates", decided to try something new after I found myself bored from accomploshing everything someone can accomplish within Puzzle Pirates. I've been playing this game for the last 2 weeks and I really enjoyed it, so I talk to a few of my friends who were wondering where I was spending my free time, they decided to come over here and check it out, some of them liked it and some didn't, well the thing is that we all know each other from school and use the school network to log on to the internet, maybe no all of us but most of us, as many of you may know, USA schools provide free access to the internet. Even though access to the internet is free, the IP for all PCs and devices connected to the net from the same network WILL have the same IP, I logged on one day to my account here and find a nice little message saying my account was disabled due to multiple accounts, the thing about that is that I have no control over the IP and my internet comes from a school router so I share the same IP as 200+ other computers, when I email the jury about my situation I received an email back saying :
The logs shows that the majority of you 'friends" come from the same PC.
Also worth a check here (especially numnber 6)http://thefivepillars.org/help/laws.php

If you read the rules, rule #6 says something about respecting others, which has nothing to do with my case. I find this unfair and frustrating, the person looking at my case is no even reading my explanation and I even sent them screenshot which show that I in fact play from a wireless network and a link to a wikipedia article explaining how a wireless network provides/shares the same IP. On top of the person no even reading my situation, I get 1 single response from them a day, I reply to their email within 5-10 mins after they send them. Is there anyone that can help me clarify this and get my account back? I can provide proof(like I already have) showing that I in fact share my IP address with more than 1 PC, also if they were to check IP history from my friends, they would be able to see that some of them are from overseas, wouldn't it be hard for me to be in the USA and Overseas at the same time?.

[Strife]

Hi unfair,
I too am an American, and played from a public wi-fi in the past. We have many players who play from the same home, school, or business network. The administrator is well aware of the fact that multiple machines may share a common IP. It is well known in fact that IP's assigned by the DHCP service on a router are lost, and only the IP coming from the Internet or WAN survives. However, the administrator has ways of making your computer talk. I don't want to speak as an authority on your situation as I know nothing of it, but if the jury says multiple accounts were accessed from the same computer, then I'd suspect they are correct.

Perhaps, one of your friends logged in on your computer? If this is the case, then maybe this is all a mistake. Perhaps if you ask the admin nicely, they will lift the ban under the condition it doesn't happen again.

You mentioned rule 6, which makes me suspect the juror may have intended to say rule 5. I'd ask you to pay close attention to rule 5. The ways in which a group may play cooperatively are strictly limited in this game. It is the intent of the community to ensure that everyone playing is playing to succeed, and not to give another player an unfair advantage by focusing on feeding that player resources. Perhaps the way you and your friends played was found to be suspect. Again, maybe if you ask the admin nicely, he may lift the ban and continue to monitor you and your friends.

On the off chance you are not being entirely forthright and honest about your current predicament, I'd like to point out that people whom I am sure are more savvy than you have long since tried and found methods to gain a competitive edge. That these persons found ways to avoid detection for prolonged periods. And that they may have finally slipped up at times and been caught. Their methods, being discovered, are now likely watched for more closely. I want you to know that these people were banned as well but have since returned. Our admin is a benevolent admin, he recognizes that people make mistakes, and offers forgiveness when he believes he has seen true repentance.

I hope my words have helped you. And I hope your situation is resolved and you can rejoin us in playing for the role as the most powerful mage on the server.

[zebulon]

first of all im sorry for the reference to rule number 6. I was referring to rule 5.

5. No milking
Milking can be defined as the intentional movement of resources between two consenting parties.

And since you go pulbic, the case is also public, and i can reveal a bit information. If you want you can have the login log too (with the cookietracking).

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[Thu Jan 10 09:09:22 2008]  72.196.238.206 reinc correct jump youngazng 1199815762
[Thu Jan 10 09:09:38 2008]  Mentoring: youngazng said: single
[Fri Jan 11 06:20:06 2008]  72.196.238.206 reinc correct normal youngazng 1199892006
[Sun Jan 13 02:39:19 2008]  _normal Boza (#1521) (youngazng) was killed taking turns
[Sun Jan 13 02:39:19 2008]  _normal Boza (#1521) (youngazng) kill: had spell  470
[Sun Jan 13 05:54:11 2008]  youngazng send friend email to enanomario@yahoo.com
[Sun Jan 13 05:54:54 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://us.mg3.mail.yahoo.com/dc/blank.html?bn=818.31&.intl=us
[Mon Jan 14 14:18:58 2008]  72.196.238.206 reinc correct tour youngazng 1200179938
[Mon Jan 14 14:20:28 2008]  72.196.238.206 reinc correct tour youngazng 1200180028
[Mon Jan 14 15:12:45 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by enanomario
[Mon Jan 14 15:21:59 2008]  youngazng send friend email to sergiopollar@yahoo.com
[Mon Jan 14 15:27:56 2008]  youngazng send friend email to juanguanaco@yahoo.com
[Mon Jan 14 16:10:02 2008]  youngazng send friend email to jorge_torrico@hotmail.com
[Mon Jan 14 19:54:14 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://us.mg3.mail.yahoo.com/dc/blank.html?bn=818.31&.intl=us
[Mon Jan 14 19:58:13 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by sergiopollar
[Wed Jan 16 13:07:28 2008]  youngazng send friend email to carolinemaver@hotmail.com
[Wed Jan 16 13:07:55 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://by133w.bay133.mail.live.com/mail/ApplicationMain_12.1.0069.1213.aspx?culture=en-GB&hash=1064990701
[Wed Jan 16 13:35:54 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by onlyyou
[Wed Jan 16 18:21:44 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref:
[Thu Jan 17 00:01:56 2008]  youngazng send friend email to gianrofu@hotmail.com
[Thu Jan 17 00:02:50 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref:
[Thu Jan 17 00:22:04 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by gianrofu
[Thu Jan 17 01:58:55 2008]  _jump Session destoyed due to ip youngazng ip:198.179.142 stored:205.240.78.20 2
[Thu Jan 17 07:14:21 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref:
[Thu Jan 17 07:23:14 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by mirnaruth
[Thu Jan 17 12:13:27 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by motoya_carlos
[Thu Jan 17 12:13:29 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by arcangelpa
[Fri Jan 18 06:58:51 2008]  youngazng send friend email to cabezagrandeet@hotmail.com
[Fri Jan 18 06:59:11 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl134w.blu134.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Aux=0%7c0%7c8CA27AE572C74A0%7c&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&ReadMessageId=c0159b6f-a44c-43ed-a944-57c8f14c4dc3&n=278490238
[Fri Jan 18 07:11:41 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by cabezon
[Fri Jan 18 12:19:28 2008]  youngazng send friend email to reygalletas@hotmail.com
[Fri Jan 18 12:19:46 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl132w.blu132.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=12ee313e-6331-4f03-a5da-9059310b9507&n=1409235204
[Fri Jan 18 12:22:55 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by juanjo
[Fri Jan 18 12:29:35 2008]  youngazng send friend email to jesushondurasreyes@hotmail.com
[Fri Jan 18 12:29:50 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl130w.blu130.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=c790572c-3899-4503-b06d-f7bf139f416b&n=73246930
[Fri Jan 18 12:30:06 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl130w.blu130.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?AllowUnsafe=True&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=c790572c-3899-4503-b06d-f7bf139f416b&n=376118547
[Fri Jan 18 12:32:08 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by jesusreyes
[Fri Jan 18 14:26:07 2008]  youngazng send friend email to rayfenomeno@hotmail.com
[Fri Jan 18 14:26:39 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl127w.blu127.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=13e6786e-39c4-4b1c-86da-b0eea48eab5f&n=2013869290
[Fri Jan 18 14:26:47 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl127w.blu127.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?AllowUnsafe=True&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=13e6786e-39c4-4b1c-86da-b0eea48eab5f&n=896396411
[Fri Jan 18 14:28:57 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by elfenomeno
[Fri Jan 18 14:32:11 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref:
[Fri Jan 18 14:35:32 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by totallybored
[Fri Jan 18 14:38:30 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by rebelo_javier
[Fri Jan 18 14:40:29 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by ronald7man
[Fri Jan 18 23:21:23 2008]  _jump Session destoyed due to ip youngazng ip:205.240.78 stored:198.179.142.6 2
[Sat Jan 19 08:05:32 2008]  youngazng send friend email to arcangelmaravillosopa@hotmail.com
[Sat Jan 19 08:05:53 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl131w.blu131.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=f7f82d6f-e690-4025-ab58-3c19a5d817c3&n=31087243
[Sat Jan 19 08:08:56 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by lamaravilla
[Sat Jan 19 08:14:07 2008]  youngazng send friend email to brettfavresuper@hotmail.com
[Sat Jan 19 08:14:23 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl127w.blu127.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=ba19ad92-ac86-4c8d-89e3-04ed29c4d624&n=1342933410
[Sat Jan 19 08:16:31 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by brettfavre
[Sun Jan 20 02:01:49 2008]  youngazng send friend email to luwis_gay@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 02:03:10 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl134w.blu134.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=3d64631f-6a0a-4a56-a452-64d52f76c9aa&n=666382068
[Sun Jan 20 02:16:09 2008]  youngazng send friend email to luwisisgay@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 02:16:49 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl129w.blu129.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=3bbb4241-d6c8-4687-82d3-014828c82342&n=207084235
[Sun Jan 20 02:17:10 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl129w.blu129.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=3bbb4241-d6c8-4687-82d3-014828c82342&n=207084235
[Sun Jan 20 02:17:28 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl129w.blu129.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=3bbb4241-d6c8-4687-82d3-014828c82342&n=207084235
[Sun Jan 20 02:21:32 2008]  youngazng send friend email to lu_isis_gay@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 02:21:53 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl133w.blu133.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=216ac784-f327-42a7-9b62-aef4bf5942e1&n=582328022
[Sun Jan 20 02:26:44 2008]  youngazng send friend email to enanomario_cool@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 02:27:03 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl133w.blu133.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=c3c2d424-6c1b-4e48-8a2a-97d4187f37bc&n=1964535980
[Sun Jan 20 02:37:47 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by vito
[Sun Jan 20 02:37:49 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by betol
[Sun Jan 20 02:37:51 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by pensamiento
[Sun Jan 20 02:37:53 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by garcia
[Sun Jan 20 04:31:21 2008]  youngazng send friend email to luis_nerd@live.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:31:51 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl130w.blu130.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=cac5fbc4-fe1c-4cb9-9433-a9d3eeacb239&n=1909690975
[Sun Jan 20 04:36:29 2008]  youngazng send friend email to luisisnerd@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:36:44 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl125w.blu125.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=d84bf2ec-0f99-46e6-ae1d-edc596a01463&n=1897331241
[Sun Jan 20 04:40:58 2008]  youngazng send friend email to luis-fag@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:41:13 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl126w.blu126.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=eb94cd50-cc9e-439d-b201-e99b878f04c1&n=1787837060
[Sun Jan 20 04:41:27 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl126w.blu126.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=eb94cd50-cc9e-439d-b201-e99b878f04c1&n=1787837060
[Sun Jan 20 04:44:37 2008]  youngazng send friend email to bryan_e_nano@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:44:49 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl126w.blu126.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=db5c3d3a-274f-489d-aadc-a0d784fceddf&n=2131310055
[Sun Jan 20 04:45:02 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl126w.blu126.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=db5c3d3a-274f-489d-aadc-a0d784fceddf&n=2131310055
[Sun Jan 20 04:49:14 2008]  youngazng send friend email to i_pod_iphone@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:49:28 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl127w.blu127.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=8febf9ba-9943-470c-99f8-8fb70be77f7f&n=996156479
[Sun Jan 20 04:52:05 2008]  youngazng send friend email to mario_iphone@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 04:52:20 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl132w.blu132.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=4cf2e6d8-6dcf-4f08-9b3d-ba862f095103&n=1598580083
[Sun Jan 20 04:52:35 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl132w.blu132.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ReadMessageId=4cf2e6d8-6dcf-4f08-9b3d-ba862f095103&n=1598580083
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:08 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by luis
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:10 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by m pensamiento
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:12 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by luis pensamiento
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:14 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by luis ruben
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:15 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by leevan
[Sun Jan 20 04:55:17 2008]  205.240.78.20 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by leevan g
[Sun Jan 20 16:14:54 2008]  youngazng send friend email to nextbigthingy123@hotmail.com
[Sun Jan 20 16:15:05 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl128w.blu128.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=2b252fd5-6cdb-487d-a629-3338147abff5&n=382985468
[Sun Jan 20 16:15:22 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl128w.blu128.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?AllowUnsafe=True&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=2b252fd5-6cdb-487d-a629-3338147abff5&n=839538312
[Sun Jan 20 16:17:20 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by bigthing
[Sun Jan 20 16:22:51 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by theanimal
[Sun Jan 20 16:27:30 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by interadriano
[Sun Jan 20 19:35:10 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by robinhofan
[Sun Jan 20 23:42:57 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by guesswho
[Mon Jan 21 00:14:00 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by kingpin
[Mon Jan 21 00:26:23 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by ltcoming
[Mon Jan 21 04:11:27 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by salvatruco
[Mon Jan 21 04:21:38 2008]  youngazng send friend email to chapindeguatemala@hotmail.com
[Mon Jan 21 04:21:53 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl132w.blu132.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=42af4acf-9ba6-4d5e-b390-1c2f29bed639&n=1621370397
[Mon Jan 21 04:22:06 2008]  email invitation answered: youngazng ref: http://bl132w.blu132.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?AllowUnsafe=True&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000005&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&OpenMessageBody=True&ReadMessageId=42af4acf-9ba6-4d5e-b390-1c2f29bed639&n=728125850
[Mon Jan 21 04:27:29 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by chapino
[Mon Jan 21 04:27:33 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by ganador
[Mon Jan 21 04:38:13 2008]  72.196.238.2.06 prize transfered to mage 977 (youngazng) on jump server: ref by transporter


[Titania]

What is all this?
I like to know it!!

[zebulon]

the log that shows he made like 60 mages refering to his original mage and collected the bonus for the referral.

[Titania]

What a lot of work!

[Grimw00d]

Playing from network usually is not a problem if the admins knows. The Rag/QFAs/.... played from same IP for years. We even often played from same computer when for example Kabat came into the room, asked me to log out so he can log in and check his mage. Everything no problem...

The problem starts when I see what Zeb was showing: That all of a sudden 60 mages refer to your account.

[StarTroll]

Can I have some prizes too?
Saves me the trouble of making all those accounts, and saves Zeb the time in tracking me (us) down!

/me hides

[unfair]

first of all im sorry for the reference to rule number 6. I was referring to rule 5.

5. No milking
Milking can be defined as the intentional movement of resources between two consenting parties.

And since you go pulbic, the case is also public, and i can reveal a bit information. If you want you can have the login log too (with the cookietracking).

Since you seem so sure about all of those accounts being mine, I'm pretty sure you won't have a problem accepting the challenge I sent you by email. I hope you do accept it and can admit when you are wrong.

[unfair]

The problem starts when I see what Zeb was showing: That all of a sudden 60 mages refer to your account.

Well like I said before, I come from Puzzle Pirates, in puzzle pirates is no hard to get 60 people to read a message within 5 mins. The way it works is that there is at least 600-1000 people on each server at a time and like any other game we have forums, forums "view" count goes up pretty fast, so coming from a game on which I was well known by everyone and have a lot of friends that I can interact with, it wouldn't be hard for me to get another 60 to sign up. Go on Puzzlepirates.com, you don't even have to download the game, just go to forums and look at "Views" count and you'll see how active people in that game are.